Going Public with Evercore's Glenn Schorr - Ep. 3: The "Final Four"
On the latest episode of Going Public, we dive for the loose balls in private markets’ March Madness as Glenn shares his thoughts on why it’s important to separate the forest from the trees when it comes to why certain firms make his “Final Four.”
We cover some of the most pressing topics in alternative asset management, including:
- Separating the forest from the trees — dissecting alternative asset manager stock performance versus long-term business performance.
- Views on the exit environment and what it means for alternative asset manager stock performance.
- Where and why does scale matter?
- Are banks and alternative asset managers enemies, frenemies, or collaborators, particularly in areas like private credit?
- Why does Glenn believe the secular growth trends of private markets and how that impacts alts managers is a fat pitch?
- In the spirit of March Madness, Glenn shares his bracketology on which firms make his “Final Four.”
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Making private markets more public — with expert analysis
Alt Goes Mainstream has partnered with an expert who has seen the evolution of alternative asset managers from their early days.
Glenn Schorr is a Senior MD and Senior Research Analyst at Evercore ISI, where he covers brokers, banks, asset managers, and trust banks as an analyst.
He has covered financials since 2000 and started coverage of alternative asset managers when the first firms went public.
He’s consistently come up as one of the most thoughtful and well-respected analysts in the space. He balances deep research with a creative flair (just read one of the titles of his research reports and you can see his love of the game). He’s been named to Institutional Investor’s All-America Research Team for his coverage, most recently ranking #2 and runner up in 2023, #1 and #2 in 2022. Prior to Evercore, Glenn was a Senior MD at Nomura, serving as the lead financials analyst.
Listen in as Glenn shares market stories, the evolution of alternative asset managers as businesses, the biggest and most exciting trends in private markets based on what the industry’s largest players are doing, and we go “around the horn” for his analysis on the publicly traded firms.
Show Notes
00:00 Introduction and Countdown
00:06 Going Mainstream
00:45 Welcome to the Series
00:58 Meet Glenn Schorr
01:31 Market Stories and Trends
01:54 Live from Evercore
02:04 Earnings and Market Volatility
02:07 Secular Growth Businesses
02:39 Anticipation and Uncertainty
03:26 Alternative Managers' Performance
04:36 Private Markets and Infrastructure
05:53 Valuation and Market Corrections
07:28 Investment Opportunities in Market Downturns
07:54 Fundraising and Fee Related Earnings
08:01 Capital Raising Challenges
09:36 Super Alts Firms
12:22 Brand and Consistency
13:16 Acquisitions and Growth Strategies
15:33 Banks vs. Alternative Managers
16:26 Private Credit and Direct Lending
24:45 Asset Classes Shifting from Public to Private Markets
25:09 Duration Mismatch in Banking and Loans
25:32 Regulatory and Capital Arbitrage
26:01 Flexibility in Private Markets
26:30 Impact of Stock Prices on Strategic Acquisitions
27:01 Stock Deals and Control in Acquisitions
28:29 Accretive Acquisitions and Capital Raising
31:29 Scale Benefits in Private Markets
31:50 Big Ticket Transactions and Scale
33:05 Investor Understanding of Scale in Private Markets
33:37 Challenges in Public Market Investment in Alternative Managers
36:50 Long-Term Trends in Private Markets
38:03 Risks in Private Markets
38:55 Transparency and Oversight in Private Markets
39:30 Thematic Investing and Long-Term Trends
40:31 Private Markets Framework for Public Stocks
41:30 Emotional Investing and Long-Term Capital
43:25 Geopolitical and Economic Policy Impacts
45:38 March Madness: Top 4 Manager Picks
Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.
Company Coverage and Disclosures
Evercore ISI
Glenn Schorr
| Ticker | Company
| APO | Apollo Global Management, Inc.
| BAC | Bank of America Corporation
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Bank of America Corporation.
| BK | Bank of New York Mellon Corp.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Bank of New York Mellon Corp.
| BLK | BlackRock, Inc.
| BlackRock, Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to BlackRock, Inc. in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from BlackRock, Inc. within the next three months.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Blackrock Inc.
| BX | Blackstone, Inc.
| Blackstone, Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to Blackstone, Inc. in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from Blackstone, Inc. within the next three months.
| An employee, employee's immediate family member, director or consultant of Evercore ISI or one of its affiliates (but not the covering research analyst or a member of the covering research analyst's household) is an officer, director or advisory board member of Blackstone, Inc.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from Blackstone, Inc. for investment banking services in the last 12 months.
| Analyst has a financial interest in a private equity fund managed by Blackstone, Inc.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Blackstone, Inc.
| OWL | Blue Owl Capital, Inc
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has acted as a manager or co-manager of a public offering of securities by Blue Owl Capital, Inc in the last 12 months.
| Blue Owl Capital, Inc is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to Blue Owl Capital, Inc in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from Blue Owl Capital, Inc for investment banking services in the last 12 months.
| BSIG | BrightSphere Investment
| C | Citigroup, Inc.
| An employee, employee's immediate family member, director or consultant of Evercore ISI or one of its affiliates (but not the covering research analyst or a member of the covering research analyst's household) is an officer, director or advisory board member of Citigroup, Inc.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Citigroup, Inc.
| BEN | Franklin Resources, Inc.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Franklin Resources, Inc.
| GS | Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
| IVZ | Invesco Ltd.
| JPM | JPMorgan Chase & Co.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of JPMorgan Chase & Co.
| KKR | KKR & Co. Inc.
| KKR & Co. Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to KKR & Co. Inc. in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from KKR & Co. Inc. for investment banking services in the last 12 months.
| MS | Morgan Stanley
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Morgan Stanley.
| NTRS | Northern Trust Corp.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Northern Trust.
| STT | State Street Corp.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of State Street Corp.
| TROW | T. Rowe Price Group, Inc.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation for products or services other than investment banking services from T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. in the last 12 months.
| T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. is a client of Evercore ISI or an affiliate and Evercore ISI or an affiliate has provided non-investment banking securities-related services to T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. in the last 12 months.
| CG | The Carlyle Group Inc.
| The Carlyle Group Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to The Carlyle Group Inc. in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from The Carlyle Group Inc. within the next three months.
| An employee, employee's immediate family member, director or consultant of Evercore ISI or one of its affiliates (but not the covering research analyst or a member of the covering research analyst's household) is an officer, director or advisory board member of The Carlyle Group Inc.
| TPG | TPG Inc
| TPG Inc is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to TPG Inc in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from TPG Inc within the next three months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from TPG Inc for investment banking services in the last 12 months.
| APO | Apollo Global Management, Inc.
| BAC | Bank of America Corporation
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Bank of America Corporation.
| BK | Bank of New York Mellon Corp.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Bank of New York Mellon Corp.
| BLK | BlackRock, Inc.
| BlackRock, Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to BlackRock, Inc. in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from BlackRock, Inc. within the next three months.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Blackrock Inc.
| BX | Blackstone, Inc.
| Blackstone, Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to Blackstone, Inc. in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from Blackstone, Inc. within the next three months.
| An employee, employee's immediate family member, director or consultant of Evercore ISI or one of its affiliates (but not the covering research analyst or a member of the covering research analyst's household) is an officer, director or advisory board member of Blackstone, Inc.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from Blackstone, Inc. for investment banking services in the last 12 months.
| Analyst has a financial interest in a private equity fund managed by Blackstone, Inc.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Blackstone, Inc.
| OWL | Blue Owl Capital, Inc
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has acted as a manager or co-manager of a public offering of securities by Blue Owl Capital, Inc in the last 12 months.
| Blue Owl Capital, Inc is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to Blue Owl Capital, Inc in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from Blue Owl Capital, Inc for investment banking services in the last 12 months.
| BSIG | BrightSphere Investment
| C | Citigroup, Inc.
| An employee, employee's immediate family member, director or consultant of Evercore ISI or one of its affiliates (but not the covering research analyst or a member of the covering research analyst's household) is an officer, director or advisory board member of Citigroup, Inc.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Citigroup, Inc.
| BEN | Franklin Resources, Inc.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Franklin Resources, Inc.
| GS | Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
| IVZ | Invesco Ltd.
| JPM | JPMorgan Chase & Co.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of JPMorgan Chase & Co.
| KKR | KKR & Co. Inc.
| KKR & Co. Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to KKR & Co. Inc. in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from KKR & Co. Inc. for investment banking services in the last 12 months.
| MS | Morgan Stanley
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Morgan Stanley.
| NTRS | Northern Trust Corp.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Northern Trust.
| STT | State Street Corp.
| Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of State Street Corp.
| TROW | T. Rowe Price Group, Inc.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation for products or services other than investment banking services from T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. in the last 12 months.
| T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. is a client of Evercore ISI or an affiliate and Evercore ISI or an affiliate has provided non-investment banking securities-related services to T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. in the last 12 months.
| CG | The Carlyle Group Inc.
| The Carlyle Group Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to The Carlyle Group Inc. in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from The Carlyle Group Inc. within the next three months.
| An employee, employee's immediate family member, director or consultant of Evercore ISI or one of its affiliates (but not the covering research analyst or a member of the covering research analyst's household) is an officer, director or advisory board member of The Carlyle Group Inc.
| TPG | TPG Inc
| TPG Inc is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to TPG Inc in the last 12 months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from TPG Inc within the next three months.
| Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from TPG Inc for investment banking services in the last 12 months.